“He has placed into the earth firm mountains, so it does not shake with you, as well as rivers, and pathways so you may find your way.” Quran 16:15
It does not take a genius to see from these maps that mountains do NOT prevent earthquakes. In fact, many mountains (even underwater mountains) are formed from tectonic plate movement. Because of that, you are likely to find that earthquakes are more frequent in mountainous or near mountainous areas. It’s the same reason why Iran and Turkey have more earthquakes than Saudi or the Saharah desert – and why south Europe and Central Asia have more earthquakes than central Australia or West Africa. Mountains never stopped or slowed earthquakes. When a tectonic plate shakes, everything above it shakes! And what is more, there are more frequent Earthquakes wherever you find mountains.
Research published in a peer reviewed journal found that “Nine out of ten disastrous earthquakes happened in mountainous areas.”
So, why does the Quran claim Allah created mountains to stop earthquakes? Because this is what 7th century desert people used to believe and as such this is what the Prophet used to believe.
Issue 35.1: How can we claim that the Quran is from an all knowing-god, when it makes scientific claims that are clearly wrong? There is absolutely no dispute among geologists that the formation of mountains is due to tectonic movement of the Earth crust. Where mountains form, there is a much higher risk of earthquakes than where there are no mountains. And there is academic research that proves this fact.
Islamic Excuses:
Issue 35.1: The Quran is a book of signs and not science. This verse could be a poetic description of mountains and earthquakes. It could be linked to the description of the Earth’s creation. At the time of the Earth’s creation, there were many more earthquakes, and it was the settling of the Earth’s creation that meant more mountains were created. As such, the creation of the mountains is part of the Earth’s stabilising process.
Our response: The earlier verses speak about Allah sending rain for drinking (16:10), growing of crops (16:11), the rotation of the Sun and Moon (16:12), the different colours we see (16:13), and the plentiful of fish in the sea (16:14). The verses are not talking about the early creation of the Earth when none of these existed. The Earth started as a hot molten ball of fire. By the time all the above had existed, the mountains had already formed. But then the Prophet did not know this and therefore, Allah did not know it. Finally, the poetic aspect cannot justify making such a ridiculous claim. The same verse could poetically say that mountains do not prevent earthquakes or that earthquakes are not mentioned at all! This is a desert dweller trying to justify why a god created mountains that are hard to ‘pass through’ instead of flat plains.
Final Thought:
Had the Prophet lived in a mountainous area, he would have had a very different view of the world from hearing stories being passed down of generations who experienced earthquakes. The one single fact that cannot be disputed here is that the Quran got this fact completely wrong. The mountains are not ‘placed there’ to stop the earth-shaking. Also, if you have not spotted that in the same verse, there are two other claims that are not substantiated. The claim is that rivers and paths were created by Allah to allow safe passage of humans! Rivers are created naturally (or artificially through water diversions) on Earth as early as 3000 years before Islam. By their flat nature, they create paths in the land. Pathways are man-made from repeated passage through these places and, in modern times, created by humans through roads and tunnels. While these are yet more reasons to challenge the claim that the Quran is from a god, we feel the mountain one is sufficient for this reason.
“Glory to Allah, who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge.”
“And ˹He is the One˺ Who created all things in pairs, and made for you ships and animals to ride”
What if I told you that there is not just one species but over 65,000 species that do not have male/female combination? The biological term for species where all individuals are of the same gender is unisexuality. In unisexual species, there are no male and female combinations; instead, all individuals are typically of one sex, usually female. These species reproduce through a process called parthenogenesis, where an egg develops into an individual without fertilization by a male.
Here are three examples of unisexual species in the animal kingdom:
Whiptail Lizards: Some species of whiptail lizards, such as the New Mexico whiptail, are entirely female. They reproduce through parthenogenesis, producing offspring that are genetic clones of the mother.
Amazon Molly (Poecilia formosa): This fish species is also unisexual and consists only of females. They reproduce by gynogenesis, a form of parthenogenesis where the presence of sperm from a related species is required to trigger the development of the egg, but the sperm does not contribute genetically.
Bdelloid Rotifers: These microscopic aquatic animals have been reproducing asexually for millions of years. All individuals are female, and they reproduce through parthenogenesis, producing genetically identical daughters.
These examples are different to cases where there are two genders, but occasionally, virgin births can happen. There are several documented cases of virgin births:
Komodo Dragons: These large reptiles can reproduce without males. A notable case occurred in 2006 at Chester Zoo in the UK, where a female Komodo dragon laid eggs that hatched into healthy offspring without any male involvement.
Sharks: Several species of sharks, including bonnethead sharks and zebra sharks, have been observed to reproduce via parthenogenesis. For instance, a bonnethead shark at an aquarium in Nebraska gave birth without ever being exposed to a male.
California Condors: These critically endangered birds can also reproduce without males. Even when housed with males, some female California condors have been known to produce offspring through parthenogenesis.
What the above examples show is the fact that there are species that simply run on one single gender, same genetic birth, and even cases of virgin births. Makes the three verses that kept insisting that ALL creations are done in pairs completely debunked!
These are facts that you can research yourself.
Issue 31.1. You can forgive a desert dweller not to know that in nature there are way more than males and females. The observations done at the time were based on the understanding of the visible world where you see male and female humans, cattle, and plants – yes, they understood the fertilisation of plants. But an all-knowing God would have known this is not the case and at the least refrained from using the term ‘Everything’ and maybe used ‘most things’.
Islamists Excuses:
Issue 31.1. The verses can be seen in the context that all species have two genders: males and females. The Quran does not state that they reproduce as males and females. That is your assumption. While some may have developed (or evolved, as you may prefer to say) to be single-gender, that is the magnificence of the creator. There was a time in the past when there used to be two genders, and one may have died out. As such, the verses remain correct, and there are no scientific errors. Finally, a reminder of the point we mentioned before: the Quran is not a book of science but a book of signs. The statements were not meant to be a lesson in biology but in overall nature, and as such, the verses are correct.
>>> Our response: The verses are clear. The emphasis is on ‘all things’, and other translators clearly state ‘everything’. To say that once upon a time in the past there were two genders is wrong, as these creatures exist now as a single gender species. Also, the idea of two (or pairs) conflicts with another fact that science has shown: the existence of hermaphrodites who have both males and females in the same species and always operate as such – such as snails. Some may now claim the Quran is a book of signs and not science because it reads like a basic year one book, but this does not escape the fact that an All-knowing god would have known that these statements are not accurate and still decided to send it as such and that is a reason to question this book.
Final thoughts:
A few years ago, when scientists confirmed that plants tend to have males and females, there was a flood of videos and posts about the miracle of the Quran that identified these some 1400 years before – clearly, this was an inflated claim mixed with misinformation. First of all, it assumes people at the time did not know about two genders in plants, which is not true. As early as the bronze age, humans recognise the need to pollinate one plant with others to get strong crops. However, early Greek researchers such as Empedocles and Theophrastus noted the different structures of plants’ reproduction systems being binary. In the Arabic language, we assume everything is binary, even things such as the moon (male), sun (female), house (male), car (female)…etc. The Quran did not venture too much outside its zone to assume everything is in pairs.
101 Reasons Why We Left Islam – Chapter 1: Abrogation– Reason 2
According to the Hadith, some Qur’anic verses were written on a piece of paper and were lost because a sheep ate it.
It was narrated that ‘Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed*, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
*: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other hadiths establish the number for fosterage to be 5.
“One of the things that Allah revealed in the Qur’an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”
Issue 2.1: This story destroys the claim that the Quran has been perfectly preserved. Didn’t Allah say he would protect the Qur’an from manipulation in the Quran (15:9)?
“It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder (Quran), and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”
If Allah cannot even stop a sheep from eating something that ends up being lost from the Quran, how can He stop humans? And if the stoning of adulterers is made up, as some claim, I have another story that proves it is true, for it is hard to make up such stories as disturbing as anything you can read. People go to Muhammad to admit they committed adultery and ask forgiveness; Muhammad orders their stoning so they can go to Allah and ask forgiveness to Him. This includes a pregnant woman who had to wait for her to give birth, suckle the child till it weaned off its mother…then they stoned her to death.
Issue 2.2: This story makes no sense because there is a catch. Wasn’t the preservation of the Quran done by memorisation and oral recitations so that nothing gets lost? An important verse, such as the punishment for adultery and suckling of adults, would be one that hardly any person would forget.
Issue 2.3: Because this verse is missing, we do not have a single verse that addresses adultery in contrast with rape. Rape is a very different situation involving a man forcefully having sex with a female who does not want to engage in sex. There is not a single ruling in the Quran or Hadith that singles out the issue of non-consensual sex- otherwise known as rape. Instead, these two are bundled together as one thing: Adultery! Thus, the victim is treated as guilty as the criminal.
Issue 2.4: Breastfeeding for adults is the most ridiculous idea ever that even people at the time found it utterly stupid. The ruling suggested that if a woman wanted to be able to take off her hijab in front of a non-close-relative male person, she could breastfeed him ten times (or five times), and by doing so, this person became her ‘adopted child’. It does not matter if she is 18 and he is 60 years old! Thereafter, this person can see her without a hijab. If you are reading this for the first time, I can see your jaw dropped. Pull your jaw up!
Other issues to discuss later: Stoning for adultery is barbaric at many levels. It is evident that there are far more appropriate ways to manage adultery that many societies have introduced. You do not need to resort to stoning. What is more, it is open to misuse and human error, which we talk about in Reason 89: Application of Shariah Law.
Apologist Responses:
Issue 2.1: The “Reminder” as the verse 15:9 clearly states shows that the ruling is perfectly preserved even if the verse is missing. In fact, we still have the punishment of stoning in Shariah compliant laws. Why Allah decided to allow a sheep to eat the verse, it is His wisdom, and we don’t judge as Allah knows best. Finally, asking for forgiveness is not an exemption of punishment. Someone who kills another person deserves to the full punishment even if they asked for forgiveness. In Islam, we are merciful. We did not stone the mother with her unborn baby which would have been utterly cruel. This shows mercy is built into Islam.
>>Our response: The issue is the ‘perfect preservation’ and the abrogation of the verse while keeping the ruling is nonsense. This was not applied to any of the other abrogation. When abrogation happens, the ruling is cancelled. The claim that Allah has His reasons is just an excuse because you do not have any other explanation. We think stoning is completely wrong, be that before or after giving birth. From the mother and child, some may argue this is crueller. The mother will know that her time is coming everyday she holds that child closely. That child will grow up without a mother and will forever be haunted by what happened to his mother. This is no mercy, this is hauntingly cruel, especially when you take into consideration that she may have been groomed or raped.
Issue 2.2: This issue of why people forgot the verse is speculative and subjective in its nature. Does not conclusively mean the Quran is not preserved.
>>Our response: This is nonsensical response. But this is addressed further in Reason #50:The Quran Perfect Preservation (Debunked).
Issue 2.3: The issue of rape is judged by the Wali (Judge) and where there is clear evidence that woman was raped, she is not punished.
>>Our response: This may well be the case. This comes under ‘Islam is not perfect” whereby we find solutions and fix these moral challenges ourselves. This does not address the fact that not once did the Quran or Hadith distinguish between adultery and rape. It left it for us to make that distinction. Because this distinction was never made, for thousands of years women were being stoned to death even though they were raped.
Issue 2.4: Islam is about practical solutions. While many societies found a way for men and women to share spaces, in Islam we needed to ensure they do not get engage in out of marriage sex or sex thoughts. When a man breastfeeds from a woman, he is in effect becoming her “son by breastfeeding” as traditionally was the case in Arabia. There is no obligation to do this. It is optional. Now we live in an age where we do not need to do this anymore, which may reflect Allah’s wisdom in abrogating this verse but not the ruling.
>>Our response: This added information but did not address the ridiculousness of the ruling. A man breastfeeding five or ten times from another woman’s breast does not make him less turned on or less sexually attracted to her but quite the opposite! The fact that most Muslims do not accept it or even do it, shows that it was a joke from the start.
Final thoughts: The issue of missing verses that the sheep ate remains a reason to challenge the reliability of the Quran as a complete authentic source from an all-known and all-mighty god. Stoning of adulterers is bundled with rape as one of the same. There is a clear contradiction here whereby the idea that Allah would allow an animal to eat some verses when the Quran was supposed to be preserved by memorisation and not writing. We find the story to be very suspicious. That this incident happened while the Prophet was dying. That the only two verses to be eaten are the two controversial ones that Aisha strongly disliked, and whereby several of the Sahabah detest – such as the idea of breastfeeding for adults. This issue, yet again, points to a human process in the making of the Quran that we have many more evidence coming up.
101 Reasons Why We Left Islam – Chapter 1: Abrogation– Reason 1
Abrogation (نسخ) is a term used in Islam to refer to Quranic commandments that are cancelled or overwritten by a new commandment via a verse in the Quran. This is mentioned in the Quran as something Allah does from time to time (2:106, 16:101). While the Arabic term actually reads ‘copying’, in effect, Abrogation means ‘overriding’. The justification is that Allah modified aspects of the Quran to allow a smooth transition from the pagan and non-believing practices of the pre-Islamic era into the new Islamic era. Alcohol is a typical example presented in Reason #3, whereby alcohol was restricted and banned gradually. This justification is not always accurate. For example, initially, Muslims who found fasting difficult were allowed to feed a poor person for each day they couldn’t fast (2:184). When many rich people started to abuse this by never fasting and paying off Ramadan, a follow-up verse cancelled the earlier verse, making fasting obligatory for all healthy adults (2:185). The Quran is supposedly the eternal words of Allah (15:9), preserved on stone tablets (85:22), from the start of time (13:39). To suggest that Allah was reacting to change, is dishonest. The Authentic Hadith and further Reason #64, whereby Allah has already decided everything in advance. You reading this book was predetermined 50,000 years before the Big Bang :
Abdallah b. ‘Amr reported God’s messenger as saying, “God recorded the fates of all creatures 50,000 years before creating the heavens and the earth, and His throne was upon the water.” Muslim transmitted it. Mishkat al-Masabih 79 https://sunnah.com/mishkat:79
As you see earlier and you will see next, Allah created a mess on that tablet whereby He had 14.5 billion years to fix but decided not to but instead until that last moment. We shall demonstrate that many of the processes are human-like processes that contradict the idea of an all-knowing god!
Reason #1: Abrogation of Peaceful Verses of the Quran
If you ever wondered why Islamist extremists are called fundamentalists when Islam is supposedly the religion of peace, Reason #1 will solve it for you. See, the numerical sequence in which people read the Quran is not the chronological sequence in the chapters came down in (See Appendix Table 1). The Quran we have is, in fact, arranged by the size of chapters and their relevance. Abrogation means later verses ‘override’ earlier verses in their significance.
The Prophet’s message and the Quran’s style of writing, language, and even tune changed over time. While in Mecca, Muhammad’s verses are calm; they are all like, “Come and join me. Allah is truth. Allah created everything. Follow me, like Jesus and Abraham before. If you do not, you will miss out. You will die and burn in hell, but yeah, that is your choice. We can coexist, and that is fine by Allah.” This manifests itself in Surah Al Kafirun (109)
Say, “O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.”
In the first ten years, the Prophet could just convert 150 believers.
When the Prophet migrated to seek refuge in the Madina. Initially, he was frustrated; he failed to convert the prominent Jewish tribes – despite his best efforts. However, he managed to build an extensive army by getting influential backing and appealing to disgruntled youth and slaves. This mix of young men was driven by two things: the promise of war bounty and salvation. This was when the Quran tune started changing to more instructional and decisive: “Muslims have to do this and that; they have to pray, fast, fight, not mix with non-believers. And the Kuffar either have to convert, or we will fight them. In hell, Allah will turn them into kabab and fry them… etc.” By doing so, it is the classical view and not just the fundamenalist view that the Quran abrogated earlier peaceful verses.
Islamic scholars could not but admit there is a stark difference between verses that came down in Mecca and those that came down post-migration to Madina. The differences only become apparent when you stack the Meccan verses in the order they came down and then read the Madina verses. The Meccan verses are more peaceful and poetic and tend to be short and concise verses and chapters. The Madina verses are long, cumbersome, do not rhyme well and, at times, quite aggressive. These became known as Meccan verses and Madina verses. Take Surah al Touba (Chapter 9:1- 125). It is a Madia Chapter and appeared chronologically as 113th out of 114 chapters of the Quran, meaning shortly before the Prophet died! Yet, it has the most aggressive verses, such as (9:5), targeting Polytheists.
Quran 9:29 targets Christians and Jews (people of the Scripture)
Verse 9:29 is significant. It lays down that the fight has to continue until everyone believes in Allah. It specifically states that everyone has to believe in the ‘religion of truth’, and while the Quran gives exemption for Christians and Jews, they are required to pay a tax called ‘Jizah’ (Penalty). At the same time, they are humbled (the actual word used means ‘in humiliation’) when making such payments.
Why is this even a problem? We have four issues here.
Issue 1.1. We know abrogation is part and parcel of the Quran. The sequence of verses shows that as Islam progressed, the Quranic commandments became more violent. This links to Reason 84 on Islam and coexistence with other faiths. In that part, we discuss the Jizyah and its heinous impact on people forced to live under it. How can Islam be considered a religion of Peace when clearly it is not?
Issue 1.2. The second issue is that the Quran’s writing style would change merely because the Prophet moved locations. This points to a human process rather than a god-like process. Allah is fixed. Allah does not change his mind, not if the text was written 14.5 billion years ago on stone tablets. Some will disagree because they read the Quran, which sounds all the same. Firstly, they are reading the translations of the Quran, which do not convey the tune very well. Secondly, the Quran is not in chronological order. They need to read all the Meccan verses together and then the Madina ones to see the difference. We did not invent this issue. These differences are well documented in Islamic sources. We can spend a whole book talking about this.
Issue 1.3. The Abrogation of peaceful verses is the justification that every fundamentalist and terrorist from Al Qaida, ISIS, Bokoharam, Al-Shabab…etc., to reject the peaceful parts of the Quran and focus on the latter parts that call for Jihad and war against non-believers, including the subjection of Christians and Jews. It is, in effect, a call for world domination.
Issue 1.4. The Prophet, while in Mecca, was initially mentored by his association with Waraqah Ibn Nawfar, a priest in Christianity and Judaism. Waraqah was the paternal cousin of Khadijah, the Prophet’s first wife. Islamic scholars would wish to have him erased from Islamic books if they could because his existence is problematic. Waraqah is the missing link that debunks all the arguments of ‘how would the Prophet know about the previous messages and yet the message of the Quran is consistent with these messages’ – which, believe it or not, used to be the main argument for the validity of Islam. Because when in Mecca, the Prophet would have directly or indirectly relayed the peaceful messages that Waraqah had reported to him. By the time the Prophet moved to Mecca, Waraqah died, and there was a change in authors, style, and writing. Allah is one. Allah does not change because the Prophet moved, or his mentor died.
Apologist Responses:
Issue 1.1. The violent verses of chapter 9 are for a specific period of time when Islam was in a fight with other tribes. For example, if we add the tafsir to 9:5 relates only to those ‘who violated their treaties’
For verse 9:29, it is only when people live under Islamic rule and because they are under Islamic protection then they have to pay taxation for it. What about verses 60:8, 5:32, and 2:256:
“Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (60:8)
“… whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity…” (5:32)
“Let there be no compulsion in religion…” (2:256)
These are clearly peaceful verses.
>> Our response: Correcting a verse by adding context from the Tafsir is another example of how the Quran could not have been from a god but instead created by a man of his time having no idea about the implication of missing the context of the verse whereby fundamentalists would read it as they see it. This is especially the case when the Quran and Hadith warned us about the Munafiqun (Hypocrites) who will try to add stuff to the Quran to manipulate it. We addressed the other issues of Reason 84 later.
As for the verses mentioned above, if you cross-reference them with Table 1, you will find they all came before Chapter 9. The Islamists’ argument of them being abrogated is valid. But it gets worse. People who cite verses fail to provide the context or background information. For example, (60:8) is abrogated, and this is clearly stated in the Tafsir (explanation) of the verses by Al Qurtubi, Al Tabari, and Ibn Kathir. Quran.com deceptively does not present the English translations of these, so you will need to click translate yourself to see what they say. You can read here what they say:
If you are not bothered by checking them, let us save you time. They all confirmed it was for a specific event of a peace deal, and it was later abrogated.
Deceptively, Dawah organisations post extracts from the Quran without context, and this is the case for (5:32) and (2:256). If you read them, you realise these have a specific context.
Quran (5:32) “That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity. Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, and many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.” if you read the next verse, it gets worse!
Quran (2:256) “Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So, whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing handhold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”
The Tafsir here, even in English, makes it clear this is just for the case of people who want to convert to Islam and not the other way around. Ibn Kathir refers to a specific story of a Jewish boy who converted to Islam, but his parent collected him and supposedly forced him to leave Islam.
https://quran.com/2:256/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathir and confirmed by all the other Tafsirs. Even the most apologetic Muslims will admit that leaving Islam is not an option that can be extracted from this verse.
Issue 1.2. The style is not that significant. Later verses needed more detail to outline taxation, inheritance, and everyday Islamic Shariah laws. The suggestion that they are by two authors is a subjective analysis that cannot be objectively asserted.
>> Our response: Naturally, Islamic scholars must downplay the differences in writing and style, but it is not us or non-believers who spotted that there is a significant difference in style. It is the Islamic scholars themselves who point this out repeatedly.
Issue 1.3. The Quran’s chronological order does not necessarily mean earlier verses have been overwritten. Scholars disagree on what is abrogated and what is not. Fundamentalists choose to assume that earlier verses have been abrogated, but that is not the case.
>> Our response: This adds to the claim that the Quran is man-made, leaving space for fundamentalist misinterpretation. When man-made laws are created, they require several revisions and explanations to clarify the ruling and its exceptions. The Quran left this open to misinterpretation at a scale that makes it clear this could not have been written by an all-knowing god!
Issue 1.4. Waraqah Ibn Nawfal is respected as an old man. He prophesied that Muhammad would become a prophet before Muhammad even knew he was going to be a Prophet! Some sources suggest he died shortly after Muhammad declared his Prophethood. So, he cannot be the source of his Quranic inspirations.
>> Our response: The Islamic literature does not clearly state when Waraqah died. His proximity and knowledge of the Abrahamic faith cannot be ignored as a possible source of the Prophet’s teachings. This will later become clearer when we present Reason 53, whereby the Quran gets an essential Biblical character, the mother of Essa (Jesus), completely wrong! If Waraqah was not so relevant to the Prophet’s message, explain why the Hadiths say after Waraqah had died, the Prophet did not get revelations stopped for a while; some say for up to a year. https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4953 To suggest that Waraqah was not relevant to the revelation is dishonest, as you can see from the Hadith.
Final Thoughts:
Abrogation of peaceful verses by later, more aggressive verses remains a problem that causes people to question the truth that Islam is a religion of peace, something that is propagated from childhood as well as to new converts. You will be surprised that the absolute majority do not know about abrogation in Islam. They believe that every verse carries the same weight and validity. And even those who know a bit about abrogation are not aware that, in effect, the peaceful verses of the Quran have been abrogated. From this, you can see how individuals and groups, be they long-life Muslims or new converts, when they dig a little and learn the truth, are left with three choices: Leave Islam, bury their heads in the sand and ignore this fact, or become radical Islamists. But you learned something very important today. If an Islamist talks to you about Quranic verses that sound all peaceful and loving, ask them if these verses came chronologically before or after Chapter 9. Given that Chapter 9 was the one before the last to appear (113th out of 114 in total), you can bet they are referring to one that appeared before and thus has been abrogated. This video by Harris Sultan talks further on this issue: https://youtu.be/nyppVdcVL28?si=3-GfIZSUpHukbssH
The Message (الرسالة Ar-Risālah) is the first blockbuster movie of Hollywood standards on Muhammad and Islam. In the Middle East it is known as ” Mohammad, Messenger of God”. Released in 1976, it is an Islamic epic drama film directed and produced by Moustapha Akkad (liberal Muslim), chronicling the life and times of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through the perspective of his uncle Hamza and adopted son Zayd. The story does not chronicle Muhammad’s marriages, his change of tune from Mecca to Madina, murder of Umm Qirfa, caravan robberies, genocide Banu Qurayza, the battles initiated by Muhammad on tribes without provocation to “clear Arabia” for Muslims only, taking women and children as slaves, killing all the men and boys deemed to reach puberty even when they surrender, taking their property as war bounty… No it skips all these, trying desperately to present Muhammad as a message of peace.
The movie is a response to multiple movies release by Hollywood in late 70’s about Jesus. But if there is ever a tragedy to be told (and lessons to learn), is how liberals and moderates end up paying for their blind attempts to defend the indefensible. Attempts to re-represent Islam as Islam 2.0 for the 20th century has all but failed. They suppressed any suggestion that Islam is not perfect but they repackaged it as “perfect and untouchable” leaving sufficient space for fundamentalists to dig deeper and say “well this is what Islam REALLY says, and since it is perfect…. Forget your liberal value, I want Shariah and let the Jihad commence!” We need doubt in our faith, we need to question what we see, we need to have a balance of faith whereby people know Islam is not perfect but let’s see what happens. The person blowing himself has blind faith that their religion is perfect, the person joining these terrorist groups has blind faith their religion is perfect and is reading the Quran literally as a manual. If they had even 0.001% of a doubt, they would not do it. Islamic moderates and apologists failed and it is our next generations who need to challenge the core aspects of the faith to start a real change. This change starts by realising “Islam’s message is not perfect.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moustapha_Akkad
It is ironic that we have so many #hadiths about angels helping #ProphetMuhammadﷺ win battles. Yet, the one battle he did not win, Muhammad mentions the angels only in the context of “picking up the dead as martyrs”.
ISIS, Bokoharam, Taliban Hizbullah, and AlQaida used the same analogy to motivate their fighters during their battles. There is something hallucinating to imagine there are angels looking down at you, not least when you are at night in the open air…clear skies with sporadic low clouds…makes one think they are special.
But these angels who will direct your spears or bullets seem to have limited power beyond that!! They did not warn Muhammad about the poisoned lamb, nor has it helped any of these terrorist groups win beyond the confines of a few battles. But what wars? Muhammad died before realizing two of his biggest dreams: have a male heir (like Ibrahim) and reach the ends of the world in the footsteps of Zul Qarnaian. His dream was to reach the whole world in order to trigger the “end of time” – but none of this happened. And here we are 1400 years later, we have people who still follow this dream not realising that that fact Muhammad died before these dreams where realised is proof that Muhammad made it up. This seems to be something picked up by Al Rawandi (827–911). He was an early Persian scholar and theologian. He used to he Mu’tazilite scholar, then became a Shia scholar but later became a skeptic, rejecting all religion and becoming an atheist. Although none of his works have survived, his opinions had been preserved through his critics and the surviving books that answered him. You can read about this historic ExMuslim here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Rawandi
So many ExMuslims are reaching their great potential!
10 years ago, when I started researching Islam, I found only three Arabic Atheist pages on Facebook. That was it. Nothing in English. I googled and found one blog called “peaceful Islam” that was showing how unpeaceful it is. Again…nothing. Nothing on YouTube. Nothing visible on Twitter. Now….the tsunami has arrived and it has just started!!!
Data update: 10 of July 2023 (compared to exactly three months ago)
Estimate: – collectively, all main channels have a total of 1.6 million followers and over 260 million views ( collectively up 56k followers and 23 million views in 3 months! That is double the previous quarter)
Please follow them all and tell.me which one is your favourite. ❣️
Well, actually the earliest ship ever be found is The Pesse canoe is the world’s oldest known ship, dating between 8040 and 7510 BC. That would be 8500 years before Mohammad and much earlier than Islamic estimates of Noah’s ark story. What is Allah doing by helping pagans build a boat?
Beyond that, scientists have created new life with potential for medical applications that will save lives, while we still argue if we should use our right foot or left foot to enter the toilet so the “devil” does not join us!!! If the Quran claim that Allah made ships or someone else made them! Or if a Mahdi is due or not, today or tomorrow. I would not moan too much about this if we have not been f@*king doing this for the last 1400 YEARS!
It does not matter what foot you use to enter the toilet. The devil is in your mind and what you decide to do in that toilet. Muhammad did not see the world lasting beyond his death, that is why he never commanded to write the Quran. Shia, your Mahdi is not coming either, he died in 941 – research it from independent sources. You are waiting for a dead man. Are you not tired, do you want your children and grandchildren to be dealing with this shit too?
Let’s leave the 7th century mentality and move on. Let’s save lives instead of waiting for the west to do that. Let’s save this planet, rather than help destroy it. Let care for our children and love them, rather than traumatise then with this book of horror and immoral Hadiths.
To call yourself a Human Rights Activist, one would expect you value all human rights? Right? Ask Muslim human rights activists what are their views of apostates of Islam and their rights? What are their views of gender unequal rights in Islam? Ask their views about LGBTQ rights in Islam? Jews, Christians, and non-believers in Islam?
There are some trolls who accused me of being Islamophobe and disrespecting Islam and their faith -as their human right. These people do not know Human Rights if it hit them in the face!
Do you see me using pig faces or degrading nudity photos of the prophet or his wives? Do you see me using photos turning Kabaa into a toilet or more importantly do you ever seem me generalising and attacking people who believe in Islam with insults…as some do? The answer is no. I present my views and observations of Islam using memes. Memes need to have a touch of satire or parody to lighten the subject and allow people to see the irony of the situation. It is not different to many memes you see in daily bases. Just because you dislike them, you cannot call me Islamophobe…when I talk about women war bounty, this is from the Quran.and Hadith, when I talk about Muhammad’s many many marriages, this is in the Quran and hadith, when I talk about the scientific errors and contradictions in the Quran, I am providing the evidence with a light hearted image to show how ridiculous the logic is, like in this meme. None of this is Islamophobic! Learn the difference between attacking people, and mocking contradictions in a faith. The
You cannot have it your way where you have a right to promote your faith and be critical of all other faiths including people who leave Islam, and then scream Islamophobs when someone dares to be critical of yours!
What you need to know is this….Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.
“All living beings you see, evolved slowly over millions of years, genetically adapting to their surroundings. All blessed by Allah.”
صدق الله العظيم!
Instead of hundreds of Ayats (verses) tell us look at this and look at that, Allah created these just for you! But then the Quran is so full of scientific errors, Islam does not believe in evolution.
Muhammad did not have that knowledge and by default, Allah did not know either!! The hypocrisy of all those Dawah men you see online is that they would gloss over these facts, look for anything to defend their blind faith. A blind faith built on scraps of made up interpretations of obscured verses in the Quran to claim it scientific and therefore from a superiors being…a being that thinks the earth is flat, the sun rotates around the earth, sun and moon follow each other, has inferior knowledge of human creation and many more scientific errors you can read about them here:
